Posted by: the warrioress | February 24, 2013

Just Vile….

I just came from enduring a most vile posting.

I’m not sure I’ve read as vile a post in my time on wordpress, reading “Christian” blogs.  At any rate, I was so outraged and shocked by this writing and the commentary back and forth on the blog that I felt I had to comment on my own blog about this kind of writing and communicating with others.  I doubt my comment will be accepted over on that blog, but whether it is or isn’t, I must address the material put forth and attempt to set the record straight.

I feel the need to correct the blatant falsehoods contained within that writing and attempt to nullify the hate emanating from it by sharing what I’ve read within the word of God– in order to counter this blotch upon what we call our faith, our walk with Jesus Christ.

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” – Matthew 22:36-40

There is no evidence of love as love is expressed and defined inside of the bible within this particular posting, and many other postings on the same blog. The damage being done to the name of Christianity is horrific and outrageous, in my opinion.  I can only pray that those who love Christ as I do, will also express their opinion so that we can show Jesus in our lives and walk with Christ, instead of exhibiting the opposite of how Christ ordered us to behave.

The bible tells us clearly that if we have forgotten the love within our daily walk with Christ, we have nothing. If we are the greatest saint on the planet, but don’t have love, we’ve missed the point of what Jesus Christ called us to do via the Great Commission. If we’ve lost our way and have fallen off of the narrow path, we will know it because our daily walk with Christ will become unloving, rude, unkind, hateful, and downright ugly.

We all know what real love looks like because love is defined as the following:

13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  – 1 Corinthians 13: 1-7

If we are the greatest saint on the planet but have no love within us for others, we suck! Love is not mean! Love is not unkind! Love is not rude!

The judgment and condemnation expressed in judging another’s heart while they are yet in their sin and perhaps not even saved is absolutely wrong in the eyes of the Lord. The bible is clear about the hypocrisy we engage in when we do this. Jesus did not come to condemn sinners and drive them away. Jesus came because He loves and is a redeemer for the sinner! Jesus told us that the sick need a physician, not the well.  Jesus admonished us about judging others without mercy, with vile hatred.

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. – Matthew 7: 1-5

The other things I want to say about this topic are that it is easy to be able to tell what is godly writing and advice given in love and what is not. I see no fruit of the spirit present within this kind of writing or many of the other writings on the same blog, but instead there is a spirit of judgment, condemnation, fear, hate, division, dissention, and ugliness.

The fruits of the spirit within someone who is walking with Christ are love, joy, peace, self control, gentleness, kindness, and patience. There are none of these fruits to be found within a hatred and condemnation of the sinner, thus such writing cannot be found to be godly and does not reflect the words of Jesus Christ or the mindset of God.

Certainly we are instructed within the Old Testament on what is good and what is bad. We are also brought out of the Law of the Old Testament through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice made on the cross for our sins. All we have to do, if we will, is simply accept Jesus Christ and believe, and repent of our sins. We are now under a new law of LOVE and servant-hood, and we are taught what this looks like in action in our lives within the Holy Bible.

5 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. -Matthew 7: 15-20

Jesus did not condemn the worst of sinners but instead loved them. He did not expect us as followers of Him to crucify the sinner who doesn’t even know Christ. We are never to angrily insult, degrade, and judge with hatred and angst the sinner because of their sin. Doing this is not Christ-like. It does not exhibit the fruit of the spirit or the nature of Jesus Christ. There is a way to teach those who want to know Jesus, who want salvation. There is a way to address their sin with loving rebuke and there is an appropriate time to do this.

Prepared as you are to instruct others, do you ever teach yourself anything? You preach against stealing, but are you sure of your own honesty? You denounce the practice of adultery, but are you sure of your own purity? –Romans 2:21 

“God has shown me that I should call no man unfit or unclean” –Acts 10:28

15While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the “sinners” and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?”

17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” –Mark 2:15- 17

Cut sinners a break, especially when they are lost in their sin.  We don’t need to put them down or reject them because of their sins. When and if they convert to following Jesus Christ, then we are to deal with them as the bible tells us, with love and teaching as one adopted Christian brother or sister to another. I think we all know the difference between love, ugly condemnation, and rudeness;  no one will ever be brought to Christ like that.

Further reading on this topic:

David Wilkerson’s “Why I quit judging sinners.” (http://www.tscpulpitseries.org/english/minibook/2ofmech2.html)

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  1. Dear sister,
    At first I thought you were commenting on the Jeff Larson cartoon but I took the time to go to the site that you were railing about… so what were you angry about. I have seen so many who claim the name of Christ and without judging I ‘m not sure that He would claim them! I have seen so many examples of the attitude that was displayed that I am no longer taken aback but the vitriolic expressions by so many. The shame of it is and I accept this (but it doesn’t mean that I like it) they are our brother and sisters. I for the most part ignore them and chalk it up to superficial ignorance and a shallow concept of what Jesus was trying to teach.

    I had a church that fought for six months over the color of a carpet to be placed in the main hall. But when I brought up that a fellow pastor in a small church was lacking even the basic necessities for his family and that we could I was voted down. There have been too many times like that. Most recently I had a young Christian came to me and say “i Don’t think I want to call myself a christian any long, perhaps she was thinking that i would try to talk her out of her decision. I didn’t I understood. It just could be that Paul when he said that I may know Him and the fellowship of his suffering, knew more than we understood. This that you wrote about is certainly part and parcel of His suffering as well.

  2. I looked at God and He looked at me, and we were one forever. What greater love is there than this?

    ♥ Ed

  3. What an eye opening and truthful post, very well written. Thanks for sharing.

  4. Thanks for this balanced post. You are right, that posting was a disturbing read and I look forward to commenting in it later today when I have more time!

    Dan

    I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. …For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. (1 Corinthians 5:9-10,12-13 ESV)

  5. Dr Denis,

    Hello, how are you? 🙂

    I agree. These are our brothers and sisters in Christ, but I’m horrified at the example being set by them. I don’t think we can keep quiet when one of our own is out of line. Thankfully, there has been a brother here on wordpress who is well-respected, who has read my blog for quite sometime. I made a similar mistake sometime back and he spoke up and rebuked me because I was dead wrong. It took awhile to see how I was wrong, but had he not come down on me with love and a firm rebuke, I would have kept on being judgmental and self righteous over a non-Christian’s poor behavior to me and other Christians. I was getting down on the same level as the attacking, angry non-believer, which wasn’t helping anybody.

    Basically, we should expect those who don’t believe, who are hostile to the bible and Christianity to be hostile. There is that saying about casting pearls before swine…. if we aim a post particularly at the hostile atheist or anyone else who is hostile, expect to get feedback that might ruffle our feathers. It took me a little while to get and accept that.

    I think this sister writing the vile posts is in the same boat as I was. And she has a lot of company because there are so many Christians who show anything but the love of Jesus Christ in their dealing with even their own brothers and sisters in Christ. Thanks for your comment, Denis, brother. God bless you richly. Adrienne

  6. Diana,

    You’re most welcome. I was just stunned by what’s going on over on that blog. I felt someone needed to speak up.

  7. Hi Ed,

    How are you, my brother? No greater love is there than the love of God. Thanks for sharing, Ed. God bless you.

  8. Dan,

    Good luck getting an answer or even getting your reply published on that blog. From what I’m reading, there are lots of comments that are deleted or just go ignored; this is why I simply did my own blog on the topic. Whether or not this Christian gal allows my comments, I still want her to be aware of my thoughts on what she’s been saying, how she’s been saying it, and how it’s impacting others, from my point of view as a Christian. We aren’t to judge outsiders, and yes, God does, not us, but I think that part of the bible must have been overlooked. 😉 God bless and thank you for commenting here, Dan. Adrienne

  9. Hi Adrienne,

    It would seem that you were correct, my comment apparently didn’t make the cut over there! (No surprise). The timing of this post is just great. I have been having an ongoing email conversation with a gay gentleman who had some issues with what I have written related to homosexuality on my own blog. The emails have been both respectful and intelligent. Through our correspondence it became apparent to him that I do not hate him at all, homosexual or not. However one of his “issues” with Christianity is, in his view, how seldom Christians speak up to other Christians when they take a hateful stance against gays. So I am sending him a link to your article to show him that we do! (whether we speak up enough or not, I can’t say). I think I will also follow your lead in pointing out on my own blog why postings like the one by Short Little Rebel do nothing to advance the Gospel or draw others to Christ and only promote hate and push people further from God.

    Thanks again Adrienne!
    Dan

  10. Hi Dan,
    You said:

    However one of his “issues” with Christianity is, in his view, how seldom Christians speak up to other Christians when they take a hateful stance against gays. So I am sending him a link to your article to show him that we do! (whether we speak up enough or not, I can’t say)

    It’s imperative that we become more outspoken or our Christian brothers and sisters won’t learn how the Lord expects them to behave — especially when they are driving people away from God, not toward Him. I appreciate you sending your friend the link. I hope more Christians will step up and speak out. We just cannot allow those who don’t believe to think we’re okay with other Christians who operate out of a place of hate instead of love.

    Following Jesus Christ means we attempt to act Christ-like. No, none of us is perfect by any means, but we learn through loving but firm rebuke from those who know more than we do. I thank God for those who have not hesitated to rebuke me when I was out of line. I’m very stubborn but eventually they have gotten through to me over time, so God bless them. 😉

  11. Just one more thing to add here…

    When I’ve been in the wrong, I firmly thought I was right. If it had not been for those who were brave enough to speak out, I might have gone on indefinitely, doing the body of Christ more harm than good. The bible tells us how to handle a Christian, rebuke-wise. There are specific, clear instructions on how to go about it.

    Unfortunately, there is the ongoing conservative vs liberal Christian points of view and debate which tend to clash and separate Christian brethren, but if one is following and believing what the bible tells us, I’m not sure how there can be much consistent argument. The bible is pretty clear on most things. If one bothers to read it all the way through a couple of times, one gets the overall “bigger picture.”

    The bigger picture is that Jesus is a man of love and love is described within that bible. The fruits of the spirit are described and Jesus told us that we would know His people by our fruits. Christians cannot deny these words or any of the words of Jesus. Once someone becomes a Christian, we should take them under our wing and tutor them firmly, but always with love.

    When they don’t know the Lord though, why humiliate, insult, persecute, and berate them? That isn’t what Jesus would do, nor did He ever behave like that except when it came to driving the greedy marketers out of His house, the church. They were sinning in His house with impunity, in front of God and everyone. He had righteous anger and expressed it, but very few non-Christians are in God’s house sinning in front of everyone and disrespecting God as those men and women were — yet there are those of us who treat those who don’t know God like the scum of the earth.

  12. Hello. I see that you have come to my site, spit out your disapproval and then have written a post specifically to damn me. And then you want to present yourself, somehow, as a morally superior sort of Christian. Nice. The trouble with many Christians is that they put themselves about God and his Word. It is not I that say homosexuality is an abomination, but the Lord. And may I say that my blog brings literally millions of people to it. I speak from experience when I say that of all sins- be it thievery, adultery, greed, etc- no sin separates a human from Christ as surely and as vehemently as homosexuality. This is just the truth. I have had THOUSANDS of Jesus hating homosexuals come to my page and write things about Jesus that would raise the hairs on you & your ‘sweet’ Christians’ little heads. In fact, Apostle Paul explains that homosexuality is actually a punishment of God’s BECAUSE of their hatred of him to begin with. This makes complete sense as concerns my experiences online. Read for God’s word for yourself and then determine who was more harsh- me? or Apostle Paul?
    —————
    Romans 1:21-32
    “21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”
    _______________________

    Now. Many in the church community have decided to change the meaning of God’s word concerning homosexuality to suit their own sentiments. Like you. And your mocking friends here. YOU, personally consider yourselves above God’s word. You think you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible YOU think are ‘correct’. In other words, you think you are more intelligent than God. And yet, you claim that he is your king! You think that the Bible is no longer ‘valid’ in today’s society? Really? Then, you are saying that God gave us a book that is ‘dated’ and that we, humans, need to intercede on God’s behalf, and .. well, change it for him? That would make God a little.. helpless, would it not?
    See, I think God is perfectly capable of creating a book for us that would NOT get old or outdated. I give Him the credibility of being all seeing, all knowing and all powerful. Yes, he created a book that would last forever.
    What kind of God do you worship? A weak & fickle one? One that needs you, personally, to ‘fix’ what he could not?

    If you are uncomfortable with Paul’s discussion on homosexuality, you will REALLY squirm when you here what JESUS says to do with people who engage in serious sin:

    15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector. ”

    So, again, who is more harsh? Me, or Jesus? Even I didn’t say to kick anyone out of church! But Jesus did. As I said, even Jesus isn’t Christian enough for you ‘religious’ folks.

    Now, let’s see how GOD, the Great I Am, wants ‘real’ Christians to be. Does he want us to speak nicely to people about how much he loves EVERYONE? How we are ALL his children? Let’s see GOD’s own words to Ezekiel.
    ———————

    Ezekiel 3:16-18

    “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for[b] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.”
    ———————-

    But you, Ms. Warriror, have taken it upon yourself to be wiser than God or Jesus in these matters. You have decided that this is not to be. That this would be cruel or wrong or ‘unloving’. You have decided that the only loving thing to do is to speak encouragement, love and softness.

    But confront? never. To tell them: YOU WILL DIE if you don’t relent, repent and STOP sinning? No way- that’s too mean in your book. Ms. Warrior, whose BLOOD will be on YOUR hand on Judgement Day? All those people who you coddled and did tell the truth to. All those who you condone in a lifestyle that is abhorrent to God will go to HELL, will die- because YOU and people like you didn’t warn them. Because… that would be too… MEAN in your book. So your ‘niceness’ will so worth it to them when they burn for ETERNITY, right? Or, they will thank you for being so nice as to never even hint that they need, must change or they will DIE and be denied everlasting life in joy, right?

    In your type of Christian definition, not even Christ nor John the Baptist would be Christian enough! I guess when John the Baptist was standing around in stinking furs on the side of the road, pointing his finger at Herod and screaming, ‘YOU WILL GO TO HELL! YOU are sinning against the Lord, etc’ good, religious people like you would be happy when he was hauled away. I can just hear you all tsking and shaking your heads at the WAY he spoke!! How UNLOVING of him to point like that! to SCREAM in front of EVERYONE! Unpardonable! And yet, Jesus said, ” 11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist..” So, apparently, a strident voice that condemns, a finger that tells the truth of the death that is surely coming to those who continue in their sexual immorality.. is still considered wonderful by Jesus. But YOU, ms. warrior, have created your own version of what a ‘righteous’ Christian looks like, talks like, etc. I guess that makes you wiser than Jesus, doesn’t it?

    People really need to read their Bibles- Old Testament and New. You say I speak in hate when I state the plain truth and the Word of God. No, I don’t pull punches. Because I know that sometimes you have to YELL to get through some people’s barriers. There is not one thing I posted that was not the truth- and this truth is reflected EXACTLY in the words of Paul from his letter to the Church of Rome. These people FIRST abandoned God. then they chose homosexuality. These aren’t MY words or opinion- by they are GODS.

    You are angry that I post images that these people are PROUD of. Did I pose them? Did I dress them? Did I take the picture? No. These people are not ashamed of these! They REVEL in their immorality. This, too, is spoken of in the Bible.

    Christians like you want to support this behavior and make it good. But God speaks against you too. He said,

    “20 Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.

    21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
    and clever in their own sight.

    Ms. Warrior, you think you are clever in your own sight. So. Where does that leave you in God’s estimation? Me? I just speak his words and his truth. I promise you, God is with me in this. It is YOU who is against God- it is you who is setting yourself above God and it is YOU whom God will deal with harshly- not me.

    You can spend your precious time knocking down another Christian who is doing her BEST to make these people HEAR. I am WARNING them of their inevitable doom. You? You spend your time criticizing the workers of God. What you really should be doing is helping those around you. No one is perfect. Certainly not me. Never claimed to be.

    Jesus himself constantly rebuked. He even stated plainly that he rebukes those he….LOVES BEST. The Old testament tells us that a father that does not correct his son HATES his son. So, you, the silent one on homosexuality- a sin most abhorred by our GOD- which are YOU, with your soft kind words? Are you the one who LOVES or are you the one who HATES? Personally, I am GLAD and look forward to God’s judgement between the two of us.

  13. p.s. I just reviewed your comment on my site. You spoke to biblically backing your criticism. So, let me address the portions of the Bible you quote. Yes, being a Christian is ALL about love. But who are you to define what love looks like? I addressed love in my longer comment above. Is it love to rebuke or to let someone continue down their path of sin to certain destruction? You quote Paul’s words on what love is. Show me how my article and my words violate that passage whatsoever. Don’t be general- show me my own words in violation. In your ‘version’ of love, Jesus himself wouldn’t qualify as he said, ‘Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. ” Where not these Sadducee and pharisees men who were sinning? And yet Jesus not only renounced them boldly in public, but called them NAMES! So, if you interpret the Paul’s definition of love as only soft words & romance, then Jesus wasn’t being ‘loving’ when he rebuked these men the way he did. There are MANY examples from Jesus that will bear out my point in complete truth. Love CAN be soft words. But love is sometimes harsh words framed in a rebuke. Your argument fails biblically here.

    Then you speak to the tree and the fruit it bears. I can tell you that last year, my Wordpess blog had over 2 MILLION unique visitors. I can tell you that my FB account reaches, on the average, about 60 THOUSAND people in a week. How’s YOUR blog coming? How many people do YOU reach? God has shown his favor on me and my heart by exploding my reach. And he has not done so for you. So. MY fruit bears me out as a good tree. And yours?

    Now, lastly, you speak of the speck and the log. Please notice what that really says. It does NOT say to judge. If it did, then Jesus’ command to rebuke sinners in the Church would not make any sense at all, would it? No, it says to take care of the log in your own eye. I have done that. Does this mean I think I am perfect? No. Of course not. But here is what I do KNOW: I love Christ with my entire being. I have DEDICATED my entire life to his work. HE knows my heart- HE is my witness before you and before God. He never intended for me to be perfect before I could serve. But that passage says, “In the same manner you judge, you will be judged.” It is a warning. Now, you need to review my post and see where I JUDGE people. I tell the TRUTH of them as Jesus told the truth of the Pharisees and Sadducee. Past that, did I say to hurt or scorn or deny these people? Did I say they were less than me? Did I recommend we condemn them to hell? No, no, no. and no. I am pointing out the DANGER of homosexuality- specifically how wholly it divides its practitioners from Jesus. That is to HELP, not hurt. To condone is to HURT, not help. I judged homosexuality according to Scripture. And I am HAPPY to be judged by that same measure.

    While you quote Scripture, Ms. Warrior, you quote them very much like the Pharisees and Sadducee. You twist to accomplish your erroneous desire to create new definitions of Love than what the Bible would give. You are done a disservice here- not just to a fellow Christian in the trenches- but to God himself. I want you to think on that.

  14. Here is an article for you, warrior. It applies to you and all those who so eagerly join in your condemnation of me. btw, I would NEVER write a whole article criticizing you. Why? I am too busy with the work of my Father…

    https://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/the-body-of-christ-has-a-cancer-it-must-be-cut-out/

  15. Good evening, Short Little Rebel: (Very long reply, bear with me, please)

    You said:

    Hello. I see that you have come to my site, spit out your disapproval and then have written a post specifically to damn me. And then you want to present yourself, somehow, as a morally superior sort of Christian. Nice.

    No ma’am, sister, I do not want to damn you. I have attempted to talk with you in the past on a conservative blog that you were removed from where you were a guest poster. That discussion did not proceed well between us, despite my attempt to be gentle and rebuke the same behavior you exhibit on your blog now, there. I am no longer going to be closed-mouthed and allow the bullying, paranoia, rage, and your obvious distaste for liberal-leaning Christianity to fly without confrontation. I believe you are drastically in the wrong, arrogant to the point of being completely out of line, and without love in your various “messages.” You do not exhibit the fruit of the spirit in many or even most of your writings, so no, I will not be silent and I hope that other Christians speak out as well and rebuke you, as you are definitely over the top and have lost your way, dear sister.

    You said:

    The trouble with many Christians is that they put themselves about God and his Word. It is not I that say homosexuality is an abomination, but the Lord.

    Yes, that was said in Leviticus, but we are no longer living under the law of the OT, but instead have been offered redemption through the love and forgiveness for our sins of Jesus Christ, the Lord. Certainly you may rebuke the sinning Christian, as the bible suggests you go about rebuking him or her, but not the sinner, my dear, not the sinner. You are not to humiliate, make foolish ungodly assumptions about others, or insult and persecute those who are non-believing. No where does Christ tell you to do so. Nor do the disciples/apostles of Jesus Christ.

    You said:

    And may I say that my blog brings literally millions of people to it.

    This is one of the reasons it is so important that I sincerely and seriously confront you. You are out of line, sister. You have lost your way. You are pushing countless peoples AWAY FROM JESUS CHRIST, not toward Him.

    You said:

    I speak from experience when I say that of all sins- be it thievery, adultery, greed, etc- no sin separates a human from Christ as surely and as vehemently as homosexuality. This is just the truth.

    And where does it say that in the bible? God hates lies, pride, and finds these to be an abomination as well. I think you’ve forgotten what He thinks of the hypocrite and those with serious anger issues as well. I don’t believe He appreciates the many, like yourself, who are misrepresenting the bible, God, and Jesus Christ in an erroneous attempt to play the hard ass and make God look like something He clearly is not since Jesus Christ offered to stand in the place of every sinner before God.

    You said:

    I have had THOUSANDS of Jesus hating homosexuals come to my page and write things about Jesus that would raise the hairs on you & your ‘sweet’ Christians’ little heads. In fact, Apostle Paul explains that homosexuality is actually a punishment of God’s BECAUSE of their hatred of him to begin with. This makes complete sense as concerns my experiences online. Read for God’s word for yourself and then determine who was more harsh- me? or Apostle Paul?

    You’re nasty temperament and baiting of these homosexuals and atheists nets you the response you get. I see no fruit of the spirit within your “preaching.” God may punish but He is forgiving as well and it is not up to you to help God punish and judge the hearts and souls of those whom you believe God is punishing. You’re saying that those within the lgbt community cannot change and are destined to be punished for hating God. What a bunch of bologna, my dear! Anyone can be redeemed, forgiven, and changed from the inside out by the grace of God, including the homosexual or the atheist. Who would want to be, though, when all you show them is pure hatred and outright persecution? No, please do not attempt to compare yourself to Paul! That is simply ridiculous that you would even attempt it. You are not Paul. Paul did not behave the way you behave to others on your blog and Facebook.

    You quote the following scripture here:

    Romans 1:21-32
    “21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

    24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.”

    And then you say:

    Now. Many in the church community have decided to change the meaning of God’s word concerning homosexuality to suit their own sentiments. Like you. And your mocking friends here.

    No, you are in error, SLR. I am changing nothing about the word of God to suit my own sentiments. It is you who has determined to rebuke and judge the hearts and minds of those caught up in this lifestyle as if you are God Himself. You have become judge, jury, and apparently executioner. Where is the love in your heart for these people who may not know the Lord? This is your way of bringing them to Christ? Of loving these people as you love yourself? It’s not working, my dear. This approach of yours does not contain any of the fruits of the spirit, which are LOVE, JOY, PEACE, GENTLENESS, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, KINDNESS, FAITHFULNESS, and SELF CONTROL. Your posts don’t even come close to these — quite the opposite is indeed the case. You censor and shut down rebuke from Christian brethren whose words you refuse to meditate upon. You have left me absolutely no choice but to respond in the way that I have in order that I might be heard by you and by others who are acting as you are.

    You said:

    YOU, personally consider yourselves above God’s word. You think you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible YOU think are ‘correct’. In other words, you think you are more intelligent than God. And yet, you claim that he is your king!

    I think I believe the entire bible and interpret it as the majority of scholars do. I believe it is you who are thinking she is correct, who believes she is more intelligent than Jesus Christ, who puts herself onto the level of God by attempting to judge the hearts and minds of the non-believing sinner in an inappropriate, non-spiritual manner. You are exhibiting BAD FRUIT, my dear, and it’s time you had a heads up that you have to pay attention to.

    You said:

    You think that the Bible is no longer ‘valid’ in today’s society? Really?

    No ma’am, I think that how you are interpreting the bible is not valid and is in obvious ERROR. You are not behaving in a Christ-like way with anyone, from what I see in action on your blog. Please do not attempt to tell me that you are speaking for God; you are not! You are definitely not speaking for the Lord Jesus Christ either; that much is CERTAIN.

    You said:

    Then, you are saying that God gave us a book that is ‘dated’ and that we, humans, need to intercede on God’s behalf, and .. well, change it for him? That would make God a little.. helpless, would it not?
    See, I think God is perfectly capable of creating a book for us that would NOT get old or outdated. I give Him the credibility of being all seeing, all knowing and all powerful. Yes, he created a book that would last forever.

    I never said the bible is old, invalid, and outdated and that we need to intercede on God’s behalf. You’re making that up and are in error yet again. You are attempting to put words into God’s mouth and change the words of Jesus Christ Himself in regard to the behavior of the Christian toward the sinner and the unbelieving. You are not here to judge the unbeliever or the active sinner lost in their sin who does not believe. You are out of line, sister, and you will be judged how you judge others, according to the bible.

    You said:

    What kind of God do you worship? A weak & fickle one? One that needs you, personally, to ‘fix’ what he could not?

    Not sure where you’re coming up with this. It isn’t I who is attempting to alter the bible and rewrite the New Testament in order to humiliate and rudely & hatefully persecute unbelievers caught up in sin. Once they are saved, you can rebuke them according to how the bible tells us to rebuke a Christian brother or sister, but in the interim, your behavior isn’t going to get anyone saved — instead it angers, humiliates, and turns people away from God’s Holy Spirit; that is why you are getting “thousands” of comments, views, and traffic to your blog, I suspect.

    You said:

    If you are uncomfortable with Paul’s discussion on homosexuality, you will REALLY squirm when you here what JESUS says to do with people who engage in serious sin

    You misinterpret this scripture. Jesus suggests what you are to do with your Christian brothers and sisters, not someone who doesn’t even know Christ!

    15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector. ”

    You said:

    So, again, who is more harsh? Me, or Jesus? Even I didn’t say to kick anyone out of church! But Jesus did. As I said, even Jesus isn’t Christian enough for you ‘religious’ folks.

    Please stop your ridiculous generalizing. I am not one of your “religious folk.” You misinterpret what this scripture means and rag on an insult homosexuals, atheists, and the Lord only knows who else — these people may not even be saved! Those are instructions on how to deal with those of us within the body of Christ, SLR. Re-read those passages.

    You said:

    Now, let’s see how GOD, the Great I Am, wants ‘real’ Christians to be. Does he want us to speak nicely to people about how much he loves EVERYONE? How we are ALL his children? Let’s see GOD’s own words to Ezekiel.

    Ezekiel 3:16-18

    “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for[b] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.”

    You said:

    But you, Ms. Warriror, have taken it upon yourself to be wiser than God or Jesus in these matters. You have decided that this is not to be. That this would be cruel or wrong or ‘unloving’. You have decided that the only loving thing to do is to speak encouragement, love and softness.

    This is a blatant untruth, yet again. I never said anything of the kind. I am following the word of the Lord as I have demonstrated on this posting I have written to rebuke yours. You are not to treat “outsiders” in the way that you are doing. Jesus Christ has come to redeem and save these people from their sin, should they desire His offering. He will deal with their hearts and minds when and if they choose to follow Him. You are not their judge and jury, beating the crowd into submission with a whip of words, SLR. Your approach stinks!

    You said:

    But confront? never. To tell them: YOU WILL DIE if you don’t relent, repent and STOP sinning? No way- that’s too mean in your book. Ms. Warrior, whose BLOOD will be on YOUR hand on Judgement Day? All those people who you coddled and did tell the truth to. All those who you condone in a lifestyle that is abhorrent to God will go to HELL, will die- because YOU and people like you didn’t warn them. Because… that would be too… MEAN in your book. So your ‘niceness’ will so worth it to them when they burn for ETERNITY, right? Or, they will thank you for being so nice as to never even hint that they need, must change or they will DIE and be denied everlasting life in joy, right?

    There are ways to inform people of what will happen if they continue in their sins that are gentle, compassionate, understanding, and loving. These ways exhibit the way a follower of Jesus was instructed to act BY JESUS. You are not acting like Jesus. Preaching fire and brimstone without love will net you very little. You may get thousands of comments and a lot of interaction, but what good is it if all it does is drive away those whom you are fishing for?

    You said:

    In your type of Christian definition, not even Christ nor John the Baptist would be Christian enough! I guess when John the Baptist was standing around in stinking furs on the side of the road, pointing his finger at Herod and screaming, ‘YOU WILL GO TO HELL! YOU are sinning against the Lord, etc’ good, religious people like you would be happy when he was hauled away.

    There is an appropriate time and place for everything. How many conversations did John have with Herod before he began screaming that Herod would go to hell for his sins, etc.? How do you know that John or any of the others berated perfect strangers as a way to bring them to know Jesus? Where do you read these examples in the bible?

    You said:

    I can just hear you all tsking and shaking your heads at the WAY he spoke!! How UNLOVING of him to point like that! to SCREAM in front of EVERYONE! Unpardonable! And yet, Jesus said, ” 11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist..” So, apparently, a strident voice that condemns, a finger that tells the truth of the death that is surely coming to those who continue in their sexual immorality.. is still considered wonderful by Jesus. But YOU, ms. warrior, have created your own version of what a ‘righteous’ Christian looks like, talks like, etc. I guess that makes you wiser than Jesus, doesn’t it?

    You are hardly a John the Baptist! Telling the truth about the wages of sin is death is necessary but not the way you are doing it on your blog and Facebook. You are mocking and humiliating those who visit your sites. You are baiting and insulting them. You show zero understanding, zero compassion, and are hard nosed, strident, and vicious in your message. You anger and enrage those whom you are attempting to preach to. You bait them in order to get more comments (which you delete or don’t publish) and views.

    You said:

    People really need to read their Bibles- Old Testament and New. You say I speak in hate when I state the plain truth and the Word of God. No, I don’t pull punches. Because I know that sometimes you have to YELL to get through some people’s barriers. There is not one thing I posted that was not the truth- and this truth is reflected EXACTLY in the words of Paul from his letter to the Church of Rome. These people FIRST abandoned God. then they chose homosexuality. These aren’t MY words or opinion- by they are GODS.

    You are angry that I post images that these people are PROUD of. Did I pose them? Did I dress them? Did I take the picture? No. These people are not ashamed of these! They REVEL in their immorality. This, too, is spoken of in the Bible.

    I am disgusted and offended by the ugly way you are treating those who don’t even know the Lord. It’s not appropriate based upon the scripture I’ve quoted through out my initial reply to you. It goes against the bible, clearly. I also don’t care for the offensive way you handle your own Christian brothers and sisters, without respect, arrogantly, and like a “know-it-all,” who is anything but HUMBLE. You’ve lost your humility and your ability to speak with compassion and love. You’ve lost the fruits of the spirit, sister.

    You said:

    Christians like you want to support this behavior and make it good. But God speaks against you too. He said,

    “20 Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.

    21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
    and clever in their own sight.

    Ms. Warrior, you think you are clever in your own sight. So. Where does that leave you in God’s estimation? Me? I just speak his words and his truth. I promise you, God is with me in this. It is YOU who is against God- it is you who is setting yourself above God and it is YOU whom God will deal with harshly- not me.

    I don’t believe I’m the least bit clever, Rebel. Where I am in God’s estimation is where I’ve always been – I’m a child of God who struggles and tries her best to follow God’s word to the best of my ability, who attempts to follow ALL of God’s word, not just the parts I want to use to berate others with as a tool of attempting to make myself popular/well-read/ and allegedly “speaking for God.” I try to learn from my Christian brethren with respect, a humble heart, and one who invites mentorship and teaching. I hardly think I know it all, nor do I believe I am an expert at interpreting the bible in my own way; you apparently, on the other hand, do. I attempt to exhibit the fruits of the spirit in my walk with Christ. Again, I don’t see you doing the same. You need to be spoken up to and plenty are trying to do exactly that but you censor them and delete them and go your own way, hurting the body of Christ, and pushing and angering the unbelievers who obviously are bitter and offended by your methods.

    You said:

    You can spend your precious time knocking down another Christian who is doing her BEST to make these people HEAR. I am WARNING them of their inevitable doom. You? You spend your time criticizing the workers of God. What you really should be doing is helping those around you. No one is perfect. Certainly not me. Never claimed to be.

    You are running people off, Rebel. You are being warned by Christians like myself right and left and you continue to ignore our words, privately and otherwise. You are stubborn, and enjoy the attention you’re receiving — fine..I understand that; we all want to be well read and get traffic to our blog, but you cannot continue to preach a ministry of hate and think that no one is going to call you on it. It’s wrong, it’s not biblical, and you’ve run off the narrow road into the ditch. I suggest re-reading Christ’s Sermon on the Mount and perhaps the entire NT carefully and completely and discussing what you don’t understand with a loving pastor, who has been successful in bringing other people to Christ.

    You said:

    Jesus himself constantly rebuked. He even stated plainly that he rebukes those he….LOVES BEST. The Old testament tells us that a father that does not correct his son HATES his son. So, you, the silent one on homosexuality- a sin most abhorred by our GOD- which are YOU, with your soft kind words? Are you the one who LOVES or are you the one who HATES? Personally, I am GLAD and look forward to God’s judgement between the two of us.

    You are not Jesus. You are His messenger. You are Christ’s representative. And I think you’re burnt out, stressed-out, an evidently have totally lost all intuition for the message of Jesus Christ and His feelings for those lost in their sins. You have lost your love for the sinner.

    You persecute the homosexual and the atheist, and those who call you on it. You bully and mock those who attempt to show you how and where you are wrong. I’m not sure you’ll hear me, as you’ve not heard anyone else on that blog who speaks up to you.

    Sister, I turn you over to God Himself to handle as He will; I am merely doing as I am being led by the Holy Spirit — to come against your horrific, hateful/ugly approach and ask you to take a break, temper it down, and have a closer look at your political prejudices. These political prejudices of yours are making you unreasonable and in error in a good many of your postings. You are hardly representative of Jesus Christ or God, hon, and if you’ll study the bible without your arrogant blinders on, I believe you might have a change of heart.

  16. You say that homosexuality is considered an abomination in Leviticus ONLY? That is a LIE and you are a LIAR. And lies come directly from satan. See: I Corinthians 6:9I Timothy 1:8-11- I already gave you the Romans 1:21-32 scripture. In the Old Testament, it is condemned here: Deuteronomy 23, 1 Kings 14:22-24, 1 Kings 15:11-13, 2 Kings 23:4-7 And yet, you will not listen. These passages not only condemn but prove that utterly destroying sodomy was PLEASING TO GOD. As I said, you are wiser than God. Who is arrogant here? Unbiblical.

    You say we are not beholden to the law? Really? Jesus said,

    “17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matt. 5: 17-19.

    Again. a LIE from you to your followers. Unbiblical.

    When Paul spoke of the Law being dead, he did not man ALL of the law- he was speaking SPECIFICALLY to the laws of the old testament that taught the Jews about reconciling themselves as ‘righteous’ to God. They had a series of sacrifices and rituals that needed to be performed to reconcile their sins and make them right with God. Paul said that all sacrifices and rituals are dead because CHRIST was the final sacrifice. Thus, no sacrifices & rites = no more priesthood either.

    Again, your FALSE interpretation of Paul’s statement, “The Law is dead” is NOT in line with ANY biblical scholar- what a lie you tell. If your interpretation of this statement was right, we would also not be held to the Old Testament’s Ten Commandments!

    You have to BE Jesus to rebuke like he did? WRONG. another LIE to your readers. BEWARE, readers. This person does not know the Bible or she believes herself ABOVE it.

    Jesus TOLD us- and Paul and Matthew and John and Luke and Timothy- in fact- every writer of the New Testament held Jesus up as the perfect EXAMPLE in all that he did. And example is to be FOLLOWED. All that Jesus did, he wanted us to do. So. You don’t have to be Jesus to do what he did. And most certainly did REBUKE. Jesus told his disciples, “Be like me.” And he showed what REAL love was when he said, “10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as lI have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love.” John 15:10 OBEDIENCE and LOVE go hand in hand. From CHRIST’S OWN LIPS.

    OBEDIENCE. But you recommend to your readers that obedience is NOT necessary. LIAR. Unbiblical.

    This is YOU, dear:

    “5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God ;IT DOES NOT SUBMIT TO GOD’S LAW nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD.”

    I ASSURE you, you are in the wrong here. YOU are the one lying about what LOVE is and what Jesus said and what the New Testament said over and over again. Your second post was completely helpless and FULL OF PERSONAL FEELINGS because you, a mere human, can not argue with God’s Word when it is presented to your properly and truthfully.

    God most certainly will judge between us. There IS no argument between us. But I can’t let you DECEIVE your readers- the few that you have- with your LIES about God, Jesus, the nature of Christian LOVE and thinking you can DISOBEY and still please God. Good day.

  17. “You are running people off, Rebel. You are being warned by Christians like myself right and left and you continue to ignore our words, privately and otherwise” Really? Last I checked, God blessed my page with over 2 million different viewers last year. Looks like people are COMING, not running. And for the record. The reason I speak strongly toward so-called atheists and liberals is because they need it. Yes. They are LOCKED into their sin. Again. In your book, John the Baptist is not Christian enough. You make me laugh.

  18. Short Little Rebel,

    The absolute rage & hatred you are bringing forth in the unbelieving is uncomfortable & a little frightening to behold. Your postings and comments back and forth with them taunt, bait, and injure those whom you’re supposed to be witnessing to. I cannot believe what I have just read on this blog of yours. These postings are really just beyond the pale.

    This next posting is so off-the-wall sad that I finally had to just stop reading. This is what your kind of spiritual fruit and Christian “love” is evoking… and yes, it is horrific. What on earth can you be thinking, woman? You have absolutely enraged those who don’t believe through what you are doing on Facebook and on your blog and I can only pray that God will stop you soon. This is not Christianity, Rebel.

    https://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/for-christians-who-disagree-with-my-banning-policy-one-days-comments-from-atheists-agnostics-liberals-progressives-enjoy/

    In another posting, you degrade and humiliate homosexuals yet again through your article and commentary.

    http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/lets-call-gay-pride-what-it-is-an-excuse-for-unbridled-hedonism-selfishness/#8230

    In this next posting, you admit to being kicked off of the Constitution Club’s blogging site as a guest writer there because of your over-the-top extremism and hate. You were actually expelled by a conservative Christian blog owner, through the direction of other conservative Christians! Hello!???? What will it take for you to reign yourself in, in an attempt at a more Christ-like approach? If you won’t listen to the countless conservative Christians who have already tried to reach you, I’m at a complete loss. I felt very led to try again, and so I have. Your own posts convict you, though, Short Little Rebel. And I’ve only included a tiny sampling here.

    https://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/bible-thumpin-articles-not-welcome-at-constitutionclubs-blog-anymore/

    Here again in this posting you are being kicked off of yet ANOTHER blogging site for the same behavior toward the atheists! You are actually boasting about your behavior in this posting. It’s difficult to comprehend how you see this as Christ-like behavior.

    https://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/want-to-see-atheist-relative-morality-in-action/

    I pray with love in my heart that God will reign you in, SLR. I have no idea how many people are being turned off to salvation and Jesus Christ through what you’re doing, but I’m guessing it’s a lot. This is very, very sad. I do wish there had been a way to engage with you privately, but it’s apparent that would have gone nowhere. May God and other loving Christians intervene here, in the name of Jesus. I believe there is nothing more I can do, at this point.

  19. lol! Let’s see how ‘Christlike’ CHRIST was, dear. I’m not sure how many names he called the political leaders of his day, but I leave that up to you and your readers:
    13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, YOU HYPOCRITES! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]

    15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, YOU HYPOCRITES! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

    16 “Woe to you, BLIND GUIDE! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 YOU BLIND FOOLS! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 YOU BLIND MEN! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

    23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 YOU BLIND GUIDES! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

    25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, BUT INSIDE THEY ARE FULL OF GREED AND SELF INDULGENCE. 26 BLIND PHARISEE! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

    27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! YOU ARE LIKE WHITE WASHED TOMBS, WHICH LOOK BEAUTIFUL ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT ON THE INSIDE ARE FULL OF THE BONES OF THE DEAD AND EVERYTHING UNCLEAN. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside YOU ARE FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND WICKEDNESS!

    29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who MURDERED THE PROPHETS. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

    33 “YOU SNAKES! YOU BROOD OF VIPERS! HOW WILL YOU ESCAPE BEING CONDEMNED TO HELL? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

    37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, YOU WHO MURDER AND KILL THE PROPHETS and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”

    See? Even Jesus is not Christian enough for you religious types! The Jesus you preach about NEVER EXISTED. The REAL Jesus was one tough nut on sin. And he didn’t sit there next to them, patting their knees and telling them it would all be ok.

    As for the supposedly two sites I was ‘kicked off’ of (actually, I resigned because they tried to FORCE me to NOT talk about the Bible & Jesus- not homosexuality)- both instances you cited are the same blog. So, you are supporting a site that condemns Christian speech in order to cling so tenuously to you PERSONAL support or homosexuality. Please note that I have FAR outpaced them in terms of traffic, visitors and results- they have been around for about a decade- and since the day they tried to force my Christian silence, my page outpaced them in a matter of half a year. So.. I guess God respected my opposition to their hypocritical demands.

    And again, you only voice you OPINION to the scriptures I so fully provided that that would prove you wrong IN EVERY WAY. What? No more Bible scriptures? lol! You can’t quote them anymore because they all CONDEMN YOU.

    You say I (I?) degraded homosexuals on my article??? Did I dress them that way? Did I proudly have my photo taken that way? Did I encourage them to do what they did? THEY condemned themselves!

    You have NO answer to my comments above. The only STUBBORN person is YOU. And I haven’t had COUNTLESS Christians talking to me. You haven’t addressed the lies I pointed out and proved via scripture. You haven’t proved your lies about homosexuality that I proved with scripture.

    There is only ONE thing happening with you. You are a political liberal and you HATE my politics. You, like so many ‘religious’ people, try to use Jesus as your personal billy club against your opponents. You have no true love of Christ- you just try (and fail) to use him to defeat people who are not as well versed in the Bible than I. Well, you have met your match and more. But I can not feel sorry for you. You brought this upon YOURSELF. You have made a complete public fool of yourself. You can’t call on God or his WORD to support you and I can. How embarrassing for you!

    The only reason you hate me is that you support homosexuality AGAINST the wishes of God, our Father. You have no other reason left. All your arguments have fallen like weak trees. Yet you PERSIST on calling my message – GOD’s message- full of hate. Then, you are calling God full of hate. Which borders on the Unforgivable SIN. Mocking God and the Holy Spirit. If God is full of hate, you are equating HIM with Satan and saying that the HOLY Spirit is of satan. BE CAREFUL. You can pray all you like. But the Lord, our God, has put his blessing hand on me and has, in fact, called me to this place. You are working AGAINST God when you post against me like this. There is only one person who will be stopped and it is YOU.

  20. Warrior, you visited my blog with some compliments and hoping we are still friends. I quickly read part of this post and find you saying,

    no one will ever be brought to Christ like that.

    That is why I have NO evangelical, fundie Christian friends — they aren’t real friends. They treat you like a mission. In the end, it is not about a real person relating to a real person but about getting you to sing their song about their god and their precious Jesus.

    I have found fundamentalists in several religions do this to me. It is not just Christians. Treating people as lumps of beliefs instead of as real people is horrible.

    That is why when I left Christianity, I was actually much more free to truly love and befriend other people — of all walks of life.

    Why would I ever want to consider you a friend if your only aim is to see me think like you. Really??

  21. PS, Warrioress:
    As you know, I was a former Christian – evangelical and then charismatic community. It took me 4 years to get out of looking at others as objects of conversion, as having meaningless lives with out god and such thinking. Four long years. But I hear it can take others decades.

    Here is a short apology letter I wrote concerning that. In fact, my brother replies in the comments.

  22. I get what you’re saying here, Sabio — I really do hear you. I’m not going to claim I’m different from the others at the moment — I’ll just let you see for yourself, but what you’re going to have to realize is this:

    I’m in transition. God is working mightily in my life and changing me from one day to the next. I have no idea how I’ll end up, but I know I’ll be closer to what He wants me to be when it’s all said and done; I hope that will also please those who care about me.

    I know you don’t see how I can respect you if I don’t respect or even understand the actual atheism which defines a little part of you, but you’re separate and apart from that to me. Who you are aside from that is what makes you such a wonderful teacher. It’s why you can teach even a Christian so much, despite our various differences in philosophy/religion. It’s why I, as a Christian, can learn from you, an atheist, and befriend you on a deeper level. I’m not just some fundie Christian you can box up and think that this is all I’m all about and I know you’re not either.

    As for the meaning thing, let me try to explain that to you again on the actual “No Point” posting, okay? I’ll go back there and comment again once I think about how I want to say what I want to say.

    I have never fit into the mold people tried to place me in so that they could better deal with me. lol… I’m tricky like that. You would know this if you knew me better. Anyway, I know people are more than just objects of conversion and I agree that it is horrible to merely think about someone as just a being to be converted; that is true ugliness. You blow my mind because I know these things already but I’ve never quite thought about them in the depth you bring out within me.

  23. I apologize that your last six comments weren’t immediately approved, Short Little Rebel. My spam box is conspiring against me. Grr.. It would seem I now have to go through 334 more spam notices to see if anymore of your comments have been lost within.

    Anyway, I just wanted to say that I did not initially respond on my blog to the postings on your blog because I wanted to enter a pissing contest with you. By all means, believe you have won this little “debate” if it means that much to you, hon. I’ve said what I felt I had to say and I said it for your good, sis. You think I hate you, but the fact is I think you could do absolutely outstanding things for God if you would just sit back, take a breather and get your love back for ALL of God’s prospective son’s and daughters — ALL HIS POSSIBLY FUTURE CHILDREN. They really are all worth loving.

    You’re burned out, stressed, and spending all of your time on Facebook and your blog bickering, insulting others, and sharing, (well, you know what you’re sharing), and I think you would be better served being in the actual bible itself, Rebel. And prayer perhaps as well.

    Allow God to soften you again and bring back your heart. Maybe visit Sabio’s site as well. You’ll see his comments above. He is a brilliantly deep and loving atheist man who could change your life if you were willing to see him as anything more than his label. And you might actually like him, despite his atheism, believe it or not. 😉

    I wish I could have been free to share my point of view as I pleased on your blog in the same way that I have allowed you to so freely insult me and share on mine, but that was not to be. Anyway, I do wish you only God’s best in the future, Rebel, and really did feel led by God to tell you what I have; I hope you won’t be too angry about it down the road; that’s all I’ve got for you for now.

    PS: Wow.. I almost forgot. One more thing:

    All of that scripture you quoted from Jesus in your last couple comments was Jesus getting on the Pharisee’s arse because they did not “get” His real overall message. They were far too concerned about the legalism of the whole thing.. the sins and stuff, (like you are, quite frankly). They didn’t see the point of anything Jesus was saying. They certainly didn’t understand about the love deal. They missed the whole enchilada.

    Jesus did not come to scare, hurt, or degrade the sinner, Rebel. He didn’t come to call the homosexual an abomination. He wasn’t here to humiliate or try to defeat the atheist and even His own followers in a debate. Jesus was humble. Jesus came to us because He loves us, even in our sins, exactly as we are. God loves us in the same way too. He loves us and proved that by sending Jesus, who will allow us all to be made completely holy in God’s eyes if we will but only believe and repent.

    And as a final reminder:

    12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

    The bible tells you to stop judging he who is not saved. Stop mocking, attempting to frighten, and beat into submission those who don’t know God, no matter what their particular sins are. And please remember how God’s word defines love. Maybe you could practice more of that on your blog and facebook in the future:

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. – 1 Corinthians 13: 1-7

  24. Dear Sister and Rebel too,
    Thank you much to what I will call a dialogue, As Sister Warrioress pointed out to me. I am afraid that in my life time I have been influenced by those who claim the name of Christ to such a degree (and I am afraid that I know no better to express this than this way) I do not suffer fools. Which I readily admit to at best not very kind But I do try to listen to the Spirit of God and if I may be permited to relate to you that His Kinder than mine spoke to my inner man, to point out that this is a teachable moment for all of us. To wit that I will be writing a wee article on “Hearing God” and will send you both a copy to read or x through or use a magic marker on your computer screen (Which I do not advise as magic marker is hard to erase)

    So dear sisters and ladies of my extended family thank you for what is sure to a gracious ride into our Fathers heart.

    Dr Denis O’Callaghan

  25. Hi Dr. Denis,

    Not sure there was much of a dialogue going on here, but it is what it is, I guess. I look forward to your article, Dr. and hope you will send it to me soon. Hearing God is something I think we all probably need to learn more about. (hugs) Adrienne

  26. It makes me so sad to see those kinds of things because of the people who we could be reaching in a positive way for Christ that we’ve instead pushed farther away. Thanks for your post. I only hope that people see that Christ does love and that there aren’t barriers between them and Jesus and especially that we not be one of those barriers.

    I added this one to her page. Titus 3:1-11
    Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

    Blessings!

  27. Sacred Struggler, what an absolute gem of scriptural reference you found there; It’s absolutely perfect! I wish I had found that. Whew, that one sure does hit the nail on the head, but Rebel hasn’t allowed it on her page. I’m afraid that’s par for the course, but the fact of the matter is that you found it and it clarifies everything we need to know in detail about this topic. That is probably why she didn’t allow it to be posted over there. Good job studying. I’m tucking that one away for the future… 😉

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  29. You tell em Girl! Great post Adrienne. I have been reading a few other posts similar to this one recently, God is really moving in this area… Blessings to you Sister!

  30. Every believer goes Bible Verse hunting, every believer talks about God moving in their life .. doesn’t this seem odd to you that the fellow Christians you argue with use your same tools? Doesn’t it say something about the tools and methods you rely on?


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